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| Repair: Super Grundig
Error protection circuit responds - Type: SuperColor8446
Device Type: CRT TV
Defect: protection circuit is activated
Manufacturer: Grundig
Device Type: Super Color 8446
Chassis: GSC 600
Measuring instruments: multimeter, oscilloscope
I would like to have a Grundig TV boxes chassis bring back to life.
The device was about 10 years ago still functioning stored dry.
Now speaks to the protection circuit after switching.
Green LED freely as on the control module.
Cascade was tentatively unsoldered times.
Modules to run, return, East / West and control module have been replaced.
All with the same result.
A switch on the transformer with drawn lines Hinlaufthyristor destroyed 17088th
Then, the protection circuit is no more and all power LED's (except Hinlauf) have shined.
The same happens with drawn Hinlaufbaustein.
On the Hinlaufbaustein all (FKP) capacitors were tested to capacity.
Thyristor was replaced.
The modules were tested for cold solder joints.
Since I have a video game for the modular bay, I would like to get the unit running again as.
Does anyone have tips?
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| Chasis resolder completely, then check voltages.
The Kommutierungsspulen for continuity, rotted away any connecting wires.
You have an Oscilloscope and isolating transformer?
If you it's all about the video game, that there are possibly as a Flash game for the web browser?
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| Chassis and modules have been checked for cold solder joints (visual inspection) and nachgelötet suspects.
The operating voltages from the power supply module are ok and not verbrummt.
Kommutierungsspulen with the H / V deflection coils are meant?
These have no interruption.
Ozzi control and isolation transformer are available.
When you press the diagnosis button speaks with push button 3, the protective circuit is not on, but the R92 line transformer is overloaded.
On the secondary side of the ZT is no short circuit to ground before.
It's not just to play the video game can.
But since I nunmal Both have what appears to be more rare, I would be very happy if I get the TV repaired.
Unfortunately, I have the exact sequence of operations of a thyristor power amplifier line against diagram not yet understood.
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| Kommutierungsspulen: the energy transfer between the thyristor, the line transformer and the deflection - L93 on chassis - L1313 module to return - L1408 + L1409 on Hinlaufmodul Of course, the H deflection to be intact. Quote:
| When you press the diagnosis button speaks with push button 3, the protective circuit is not on, but the R92 line transformer is overloaded.
On the secondary side of the ZT is no short circuit to ground before. |
! ** Diagnostetaster should be operated only at a reduced supply of 150-180V AC **! Overloaded R92 congestion means the winding of the pins on ZTR f, d, g, o, usually by just fine with connections / in their derived products for supply voltages. -> Vertikalmdul: pin from ZTR is generated o + D and the supply of the IC TDA2562. May cause defective IC. R1118 to V-Mod high solder a test. -> RGB Module: C + The module pin out in the EW ZTR f generated. OW has indeed changed, but has C + RGB module in a short / fine conclusion? Please try again with the ohmmeter. Please only use with diagnostic probes at 150-180V power supply - you've got the resources. | |
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| The diagnostic switch I had, of course, as described in the Service Manual, tested at reduced voltage to 180V. And I had found that one key from the outset had no passage more. Tip of the return module and short circuit was worth gold. Elko C1118 had 0 ohms. Just funny that I have previously when measuring at the base ZTR not noticed. [ندعوك للتسجيل في المنتدى أو التعريف بنفسك لمعاينة هذه الصورة] The sound is still something verbrummt, but that will be deaf to electrolytic capacitors in the tone block. If you replace all the electrolytic capacitors in the unit as a precaution? Or there are those manufactured by companies that are safe even after 30 years? Thank you both for your help! | |
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| Unfortunately, I have the exact sequence of operations of a thyristor power amplifier line against diagram not yet understood. |
Since you've already repaired the Grundig, is it really no longer necessary, but maybe it's still interested after all: | |
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| can someone tell me where I can see a thyristor-line output stage on a plan?
I've already read it, but not yet seen, I'm interested in simply building
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| Then look for the schematic of an older TV.
In "Pandora chassis" of the Grundig desired stage is built. One of these is called Super Color TV 8685th
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| Quote:
68Andy wrote on 21 Oct 2010 19:08:
| where I can see a thyristor-line output stage on a plan?
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In olle Maxe Grundig Super Color e.g. [ندعوك للتسجيل في المنتدى أو التعريف بنفسك لمعاينة هذه الصورة] | |
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| Thank you for your answers.
What has thrown the Thyristorendstufe ultimately out of the race?
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| Presumably, price, place and more powerful transistors.
Was the culmination of Thyristorei Nordmende SK2 chassis.
The power supply was controlled by a thyristor branch.
I like the plan can scan, you get dizzy with the sight of security.
Thyristorendstufen were always associated with many coils. A protection circuit was also always on hand, as if once a thyristor then forwards ....
Was probably the only manufacturer Telefunken, who has not tried this method. They had already built the early BU208, and it was good.
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| I'm ever the plan from Grundig (GSC700) downloaded
the SK2 I also like to watch me on.
Was there even accidents with this amp, what was so dangerous, at the thyristor?
I'm still a beginner so I ask so much and I know from thyristors ignition or Stroboschaltungen.
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| Which browser and which operating system you use?
For me there is no problem with iceweasel as a browser on Linux. Win I can not currently offer. I use XP, otherwise very happy, so I had no problems here in the forum. If, contrary to expectations on the software here are in the forum, please make quick message, the admin Baldur usually resolves problems very soon here in the forum software.
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| Hello.
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| The diagnostic switch I had, of course, as described in the Service Manual, tested at reduced voltage to 180V. |
Exemplary.
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| Tip of the return module and short circuit was worth gold.
Elko C1118 had 0 ohms. |
You mean the vertical module * g *
C1118 + D seventh supply and the supply of the vertical amplifier. Lucky that it was not the IC.
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| If you replace all the electrolytic capacitors in the unit as a precaution?
Or there are those manufactured by companies that are safe even after 30 years? |
In general, the time of these capacitors are robust. Were questionable as far as I know the stone Roeder, red or orange plastic cylinder. Who got happy instead of a high ESR or a short-circuit capacity loss. Sometimes the plastic body also really brittle and lined with small cracks. Nasty things.
On the edge:
You should at dieserlei equipment that had been stored for so long, and on the other side of the primary power supply to handle high voltages (Thyristorablenker, Röhrenablenker) the electrolytic capacitors used in voltage more slowly (form). Especially the high-capacity filter capacitors such as the supply of A + C94 400uF at 282V supply is neither easy nor cheap to raise.
Would Koppelelko to the vertical coil C1136 and C1121 on the small booster Elko resolder the vertical module I still exchange and the IC. Kühli also down, making the area nice and clean and replace the thermal compound. The Vert-E TDA2652 IC is not just cold and NOS is more difficult to obtain. It would be a shame if it departs from preventable causes.
Otherwise, everything else needed.
- Acidic electrolytic capacitors on the control module on the IC 1051 can lead to a "nervous" protection circuit. When you get there, or expect problems, replace these capacitors.
- The control module IC1011 C1004 causes like a lazy "image hop" in 16:9 letterbox playback via AV. The other capacitors to cause this IC then horizontally rather unstable images.
- If you get with the C706 Siebelko on your sound block NF-hum not go away, even once the capacitors C911 and C926 check on the power module.
And even if you did, if only for the other readers; measure it after completion of the work, the high voltage or, alternatively, the voltage across the charging capacitor C91, 75V + / - 0.5 V for brightness and contrast 0 (always measure with minimal beam current).
This HS-setting on the control module should still vote, despite Thyristortausch .- If it is more than 1V wrong, then what could be lazy.
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| Of course I meant the vertical module. [ندعوك للتسجيل في المنتدى أو التعريف بنفسك لمعاينة هذه الصورة]
Form I had made in so far as I'm slowly at first the mains voltage can be monitored and increase the current.
Unfortunately, this helps the capacitors on the secondary side of flyback transformers little. [ندعوك للتسجيل في المنتدى أو التعريف بنفسك لمعاينة هذه الصورة]
The vertical and the IC module, I will dedicate to your advice, again some time.
Not aware that the IC has now become so rare.
The voltage at capacitor charging, I'll check.
A high-voltage voltmeter I have not unfortunately.
The hum in the audio is about 5 seconds after the audible. Then the sound is impeccable.
At the moment I'm just about to take the appropriate message to the TV game for the FB-pit operation. Unless it works. Except for the sound.
After measurements of defect is not on TV, or its socket in the FB Dchacht, but actually to break in to a cable video game. [ندعوك للتسجيل في المنتدى أو التعريف بنفسك لمعاينة هذه الصورة]
The picture quality is excellent. The tube is still 1A. Sharp, uniform colors, no distortion.
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| Error: diversion tube? - Type: ST70-360CTI/Text
Repair: ST70-360 Grundig
Device Type: CRT TV
Defect: diversion tube?
Manufacturer: Grundig
Device Type: ST70-360 CTI / text
Chassis: CUC 3510
Hello
at o.g. Device is at the bottom of the vertical deflection at low (black blanking visible) and the vertical deflection at the top is too much (outside the visible picture content sent postponed). Circle in the test image is an "egghead". This error has crept in over months.
In bright (white) image content over controls (lubricate) the image, the focus is blurred and the image begins to run.
Chassis number is (yet) known.
I suspect one or more unstable voltages, or capacitors.
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| Hello
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| Chassis number is (yet) known. |
If you've read CUC3510 on the label, then this is the chassis number and would have fit.
And that could well get there with the error image in the chassis. The chassis uses a combined switching power supply and flyback. Like to make such faxes.
Then I would throw out all the really first primary-side capacitors.
C661, C642, C647 (150UF +47 u = 100u parallel)
Then you can measure + C, and decide whether secondary capacitors are still a few dry / change worthy.
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| Repair worked. Juhu
I file the I-net CUC_3510 in place, but was unfortunately a CUC3410. Does not matter, because I was in the area of a vertical deflection 1000μF/25V Elko (C 2791) find, which has lost capacity. Vertical deflection is now i.O..
Funny I found the use of electrolytic capacitors in the power supply Snubbernetzwerk transistor (2.2 μF/450V). This was also dry and I swapped 2.2 μF/250V because I did not have available the required voltage. But he has worked only a few minutes, he began to smoke (breaking point), I immediately pulled the plug. Thank God without consequences.
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| Hello
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| I file the I-net CUC_3510 in place, but was unfortunately a CUC3410. |
Since I had actually looked into the ESI SM and not even noticed the mistake. Thanks for the tip.
[ندعوك للتسجيل في المنتدى أو التعريف بنفسك لمعاينة هذا الرابط] But the right should lie CUC3510. Only the missing Ablenkbaustein 29504-007.09 (and C2791) in the documentation.
But what has become of the artifacts in bright light?
When a new snubber C667 (2u2/450V) examine the problem does not improve, perhaps even the + C at C516 and C517 to the reference voltage.
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| Repair: Grundig T51-060
Error: No automatic AV one? - Type: T51-060
Device Type: CRT TV
Defect: No automatic AV one?
Manufacturer: Grundig
Device Type: T51-060
Chassis: CUC 6300
Hello
Question from a novice:
Is it in the said Grundig T51-060 Chassis with 6300 possible
always turn to AV, rather than a space program? I've found no option for the OSD. Screen and chassis will be built into a video player and there would be a hindrance rather fumble with the remote control.
I have no instruction manual for the device and in the net found nothing but a remote control and a service TP 72o-pdf. I also wonder whether these devices have already 16:9 switching and where the pots sit for image width / height and position.
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| Quote:
| Is it in the said Grundig T51-060 Chassis with 6300 can always turn to AV, rather than a space program? |
For some devices, there are corresponding settings in the service.
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| where the pots sit for image width / height and position. |
Some of the settings are made in the service, the rest can be found in the diagram.
R401 V Ampl
L567 H-Ampl
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2 white knobs for vertical size and position next to the scart seems I've found. The other morning I have to look again at the light. Behind them are still two knobby, where 2k2 or so with what it says. I have no idea what they are. I also still nen Scart cable somewhere, where volts on pin 8 12 landing. Possibly. moving the TV so that the direct switch to 4:3 AV. In any case, no OSD is to find such. Since 2000 he behave the chassis CUC's beginner-friendly OS already, where did almost everything together in settings. Make sure the Toshiba tubes in old crates, but at least NEN great picture. I like to lengthen better in it than the cheap Beko combos with Thomson and Samsung.
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